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n°58
alan
Bye Bye Cruel World !
Posté le 03-02-2010 à 16:33:42  
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At this time of high hopes, I'll personally want to pay tribute to Sixten Sason :
http://images.mesdiscussions.net/saabsportclub/mesimages/4023/sixten%20sason.jpg
 
What kind of design would you like to see for the future SAAB models ?


Message édité par alan le 04-02-2010 à 11:23:38

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n°67
alan
Bye Bye Cruel World !
Posté le 11-02-2010 à 12:26:33  
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And of course to Mr SAAB :
http://images.mesdiscussions.net/saabsportclub/mesimages/4023/erik carlsson.jpg


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n°69
kowalski
Posté le 12-02-2010 à 18:33:10  
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To me, it is really the end of the SECOND era (the GM years), and the beginning of the third. During the second, Saab lost its autonomy and was constrained by being unable (or unwilling?) to follow it's previously unique engineering and design trails...The original Saabs, 92 through 900, were a lot like the animal life on a desolate island: Evolved without much outside influence or cross-breeding, with totally original results. Sometimes better than other cars, sometimes worse, sometimes just different; but to me this was the essence of the marque. The 9000 shared a platform developed with Fiat (not a bad thing, but the first crack in the wall). Then came the GM platforms, and though many of these are fine cars, (certainly "better" cars than the ones they replaced, when measured in conventional terms), they became more like "regular" cars and less like exotic creatures. Eventually we got the Saabaru 92-X and the 97-X (I don't know if these were sold in Europe?), and things like the Cadillac version of a 9-5 diluting the brand further. I am quite sure that these "rationalizing" steps were, on the whole, necessary to try to continue Saab as a growing and profitable car company; I don't believe that the Saab of old could exist individually, or profitably, in the modern order of the car business. That's my biggest worry for Generation 3.0.: Spyker may certainly bring some unique personality back to Saab, and some progressive thinking in terms of engineering and styling, but they will have to build and sell these in some volume with competitive pricing. Big volume dictates a design driven by market research, not individuality, and lots of shared components. Unique cars for discriminating tastes must sell at smaller volumes for higher prices. Somewhere bewteen these two worlds is where Saab usually took its stand, and it's a very complicated place to be. GM could not make Saab work as a "boutique" brand, and maybe they botched the job, but they tried. It will be even harder for Spyker, with it's meager resources. It's an exciting new chapter, and I hope it works well.

n°71
Golfhunter
9-5/900T16/95V4/99 GL/96V4cab
Posté le 13-02-2010 à 00:21:46  
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kowalski a écrit :

Big volume dictates a design driven by market research, not individuality, and lots of shared components. Unique cars for discriminating tastes must sell at smaller volumes for higher prices. Somewhere bewteen these two worlds is where Saab usually took its stand, and it's a very complicated place to be. .


 
Yes you're right >.That will be THE BIG CHALLENGE and I must admit that I'm curious to see what will the Spyker era Saab look like .
According to me , they have to give up the 9-4X which is not an interesting car .It's far too late to purpose another SUV . Main brands have already caught the market . Saab doesn't need a SUV .A SUV has nothing to do with Saab spirit .

n°72
alan
Bye Bye Cruel World !
Posté le 13-02-2010 à 01:08:46  
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The AERO X is the SAAB proper close future, and in the Spirit of the trade.
It'll of course far to be enough to put back SAAB on the front scene, but step by step ... I have a dream :bounce:


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n°73
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Posté le 13-02-2010 à 09:31:36  
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Does the end justifie the means with the AERO X ???

n°75
alan
Bye Bye Cruel World !
Posté le 13-02-2010 à 12:29:16  
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Hopefully ! ;)


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n°98
kowalski
Posté le 09-03-2010 à 00:20:00  
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Today's news from Spyker, via autonews.com (an American 'trade journal'):  
 
GENEVA – Saab is in talks with up to a half dozen automakers on sharing technology on future models, Spyker CEO Victor Muller told Automotive News Europe.
 
“We have been approached by five to six OEMs who are interested in becoming our technology partners,” Muller said on the sidelines of the Geneva auto show last week.
 
The 50-year-old Dutchman declined to name the potential partners, but did say that Saab is talking with “some German brands.”
 
 
Read more: http://www.autonews.com/apps/pbcs. [...] z0hd2QoGD3
 
(this is kowalski again): It is an interesting angle, but most likely a nice way of saying that Saab is shopping for new engines and components because the old ones are running out. Hopefully, they can also make money by hiring-out their engineering expertise to other firms (the way that Lotus, McLaren, Porsche, etc, do consulting and contract work), or co-developing technology with these other manufacturers.
 
My family and I couldn't get to Geneve this year (ha! next time!), but we were at the Minneapolis Auto Show yesterday, and I got my first look at the new 9-5...My impression; It looked ok, but not stunning. It looked like a different Saab, but not much of an advancement (either on Saab or other marques. In fact, it looked strangely a little 'yesterday'. It had some interesting design detailing, but not a great finish or fit, and it had one badly scored brake rotor (very strange, that!). The car was locked, so I could not sit inside. I sure hope this car feels like heaven inside, and I hope it goes like hell, or else Saab will be in deeper trouble than it is now. (I am ready for your hate mail...fire away!)

n°99
Golfhunter
9-5/900T16/95V4/99 GL/96V4cab
Posté le 09-03-2010 à 09:57:31  
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Thanx for all those informations !! Very interesting .I still haven't seen a 9.5 in real  :sweat:


Message édité par Golfhunter le 10-03-2010 à 11:26:22
n°100
alan
Bye Bye Cruel World !
Posté le 10-03-2010 à 00:21:21  
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Jim,
you're absolutely in the Truth, it's a shame.
The new 9.5 will not be enough to rebuild SAAB, far away !
But it's may be better than nothing at the moment :(  
I don't know the last news from the trollhattan headquarters, I was working on my SAAB's the last days off.


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n°111
alan
Bye Bye Cruel World !
Posté le 31-05-2010 à 10:15:17  
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STOCKHOLM (Bloomberg) -- Spyker Cars NV, Saab Automobile's owner, is in talks with automakers to share technology and a platform for a new car based on a 1950s Saab model, CEO Victor Muller said.
 
“Discussions are already ongoing,” Muller said in a telephone interview on his way from Gothenburg, Sweden, to Saab's plant in Trollhaettan. “That will be on my plate for the next 100 days.”
 
The new small car would be tear-drop shaped, inspired by the Saab 92 model that was in production between 1949 and 1956, he said, declining to say with whom he's been negotiating.
 
Spyker, the Dutch maker of supercars, bought Saab in February from General Motors Co., completing a 14-month effort by GM to either unload the company or close it down.  
 
Saab, which begins selling the new 9-5 model May 31, has spent the last three months restarting production and severing the GM ties.
 
“Saab is going to have to reignite interest in the brand, go back to its core values” of the 1980s and 1990s when it appealed to “creative” professionals such as architects, said Ian Fletcher, a European automotive analyst at IHS Global Insight in London. “Muller has to be optimistic.”
 
Saab sales goals
 
Saab aims to sell between 50,000 and 55,000 cars this year, of which 17,000 would be the new 9-5, Muller said. Next year Saab targets sales of 100,000 cars, including 40,000 9-5s and about 10,000 9-4X, a midsize crossover SUV to be built at a GM plant in Mexico starting in April 2011, he said.
 
Spyker, after considering the U.K. and Sweden, is leaning towards moving its stock listing to Stockholm from Amsterdam, Muller said, explaining just a fraction of its business remains in the Netherlands.
 
“I'm very optimistic about it,” Muller said of the Stockholm listing. “99.5 percent of our business is Swedish, is Saab, and we do feel that a listing in Amsterdam clearly is no longer logical in any way, shape or form.”
 
Saab aims to reach an agreement with a Chinese distributor within a couple months, he said, denying media reports this week that Saab and Beijing Automotive Industry Holding Co. have reached a distribution deal.
 
Contact Automotive News


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